Rebel Tank Disscussion

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Vaun » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:53 am

To put perspective on this: The rebels are about as smart as you, maby a few can use standard tools. Can you build an M1 Abrams tank, then create the software using 20+ year old computers that havent been run in years? Even if you could build a basic car from scratch, whats easier, making it into a high maintenance machine that uses calibration software and aside from that, scrounge up the wiring, parts, and supplies, or a simple "armored car with a cannon on top"?

Thats why its more reasonable to build a pre-cold war tank rather than a technologically "expensive" vehicle. Most normal people just dont have the skills. Though it is possible a few t-54s survived the combine planetculling.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by SkedarE » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:43 am

Scientists like Kleiner and Magnusson pop up all the time. Scientists are pretty smart with these sorts of things. BTW, there seem to be a few mechanics from the looks of the HL2 game. Someone built that first jeep in HL2 and the jalopy in Ep2.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Vaun » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:17 pm

When was the last time a physicist or mathamatician built a tank, let alone computer (from scratch, circuits and all), or coded a firing protocol?
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by scrub » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:39 pm

Vaun wrote:When was the last time a physicist or mathamatician built a tank, let alone computer (from scratch, circuits and all), or coded a firing protocol?
When was the last time a physicist or mathematician build a helicopter?

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by SkedarE » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:20 am

When was the last time a Sherman tank shot through more than a weak brick wall and soft man flesh i.e any other slightly armoured tank?
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Vaun » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:40 pm

WW2. The tank itself is small and lightly armored, but its pretty fast by comparison.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by SkedarE » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:11 am

Vaun wrote:WW2. The tank itself is small and lightly armored, but its pretty fast by comparison.
WW2 was not the time it's fire power went through more than slightly armoured vehicles. Sherman tanks were entirely useless against medium and heavy panzer tanks. Entire columns of roads were blocked because one tiger tank took on a whole convoy, taking up the whole road, of Sherman tanks and a few troop carriers. Sherman tanks still pretty much died three times to one for each light German Panzer(tank).

We need a little bit more for taking down much better armoured than Heavy German Panzer Tanks, Hunters and Striders.If you still want to look in the WW2 section then try 'Churchill' tanks for medium speed and a lot of fie power, 'Stuart M5' for really small, ridiculously fast, cheap, guns to take out most armoured Heavy Panzer, the 'Achilles II' for medium powerful tank and the 'Firefly' for being the most powerful allied tank during the war.

Bear in mind that although the HUD is Company of Heroes, lets try to stay away from making a WW2 RTS modification based on the operating system of Half Life 2.

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Vaun » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:42 am

Thats the whole point, theyre DISPOSABLE. If the rebels lost something big and heavy, that would be a major blow to their forces. The whole rebel vehicle scheme is based on "small, simple, easy" so that the loss of one is nothing compared to a heavy tank with advanced, difficult to recreate technology such as computerised targeting/loading, firing controls, and otherwise.

Nobody said it has to be armed with a spudgun, the rebels would probably salvage combine machineguns and modern artillery pieces, as well as maby "home made" guns from the rebel workshops. Besides, its just the model concept, stop trying to say that just because theyre using an older, simpler design that its incapable of damaging even a hunter, which even a standard assault rifle (let alone mp7 smg) can kill, or a strider, which can be taken down by a few AT4 rockets (although the AT4 in hl2 is a bit odd, multi shot and laser targeted, maby a newer model).
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by BiotecVirus » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:24 pm

3 things to keep in mind when suggestion but a good disscusion none the less.

1.Easy to build/maintain
2.Can be easily customisable
3.not use technology which the rebels would not have access to.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by SkedarE » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:19 am

Vaun wrote:Thats the whole point, theyre DISPOSABLE. If the rebels lost something big and heavy, that would be a major blow to their forces. The whole rebel vehicle scheme is based on "small, simple, easy" so that the loss of one is nothing compared to a heavy tank with advanced, difficult to recreate technology such as computerised targeting/loading, firing controls, and otherwise.

Nobody said it has to be armed with a spudgun, the rebels would probably salvage combine machineguns and modern artillery pieces, as well as maby "home made" guns from the rebel workshops. Besides, its just the model concept, stop trying to say that just because theyre using an older, simpler design that its incapable of damaging even a hunter, which even a standard assault rifle (let alone mp7 smg) can kill, or a strider, which can be taken down by a few AT4 rockets (although the AT4 in hl2 is a bit odd, multi shot and laser targeted, maby a newer model).
Sounds good. Just don't make it look too WW2ish and it fits in with being easy to maintain, easily customised and uses technology the Rebels would have. You could have a strider singularity cannon as the main gun, but elongated barrel, that is is, plot-wise, salvaged from downed Striders. A helicopter turret could be set up as the secondary ant-infantry machine gun. We could borrow one of the Sherman models from Company of Heroes, like the HUD, and use it as a base for the mod's tank designing.

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Terminus Prime » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:06 pm

A tank is out of the question. What is plausible though is a heavily armoured 'battle bus' clad in scrap metal that doubles as an APC and bunker on wheels.

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by BiotecVirus » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:30 pm

heavily armored? not in the slighest lol. Thin armor will proboly be open toped to save resources etc. A tank comes in many forms, not just a challengers to take or a Abrahams you might have sprung to mind.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Terminus Prime » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:33 pm

It's much more plausible for the resistance to fortify an existing, functional chassis rather than make a new vehicle, thus we have the battle bus. Also 'heavily armoured' is more of a relative descriptor. Compared to almost everything else in the resistance arsenal, said battle bus certainly would be.

Further, it may also be possible for rebels to hijack/capture non-synth Combine vehicles and turn them to their side.

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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Vaun » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:14 am

Look at a bus. Where are you going to put a turret on it without making it unstable to turn at high speeds. A bus would be for large artillary pieces if you cut the top open and remove the seats, even though you need to take it slow.

Take something like the transmission from a powerful, compat vehicle, modify the wheels to either heavy duty tires or traks (somehow), then boost the torque. Take a basic chassis, weld on lots of armor (steel and aluminum plates), then modify the top for a turret (which runs on basic hydraulic/pneumatic systems). The thing doesnt have to make perfect sense, but anyone with some understanding of mechanics and simple machines could build it in theory, so a mechanic and an engineer (or something to that effect) could theoreticly build a basic tank, given some time and materials.
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Re: Rebel Tank Disscussion

Post by Terminus Prime » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:06 am

Look at a bus. Where are you going to put a turret on it without making it unstable to turn at high speeds. A bus would be for large artillary pieces if you cut the top open and remove the seats, even though you need to take it slow.
I'm not suggesting they make a bus into a literal, turreted tank. I'm suggesting they fortify it, and turn the thing into a mobile bunker/APC. Its firepower is proportional to the # of Rebels garrisoned inside.
Take something like the transmission from a powerful, compat vehicle, modify the wheels to either heavy duty tires or traks (somehow), then boost the torque. Take a basic chassis, weld on lots of armor (steel and aluminum plates), then modify the top for a turret (which runs on basic hydraulic/pneumatic systems). The thing doesnt have to make perfect sense, but anyone with some understanding of mechanics and simple machines could build it in theory, so a mechanic and an engineer (or something to that effect) could theoreticly build a basic tank, given some time and materials.
Honestly, is fashioning a jury-rigged tank (which would be unreliable at best) from civilian chassis' really a wise use of Rebel time and resources, when they could refurbish many more vehicles in the same time without radically altering them? Especially given the indisputable superiority of Combine armour?

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